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Welcome to Fluville……

I think I forgot how to do this…..

It has been a few weeks since I have blogged here. I have spent the last week in Fluville. You remember Fluville. Located between the Muscle Ache Mountains and Dry Heave Lake.  It was a tuff one this year but I’m still here. I hope that you don’t have to take the trip, but if you do, rest and push the fluids.

Back to business.  From what I am reading this will be must see TV…..

CNBC’s “Death: It’s a Living” Premieres on Thursday, January 31st at 9pm ET/PT and from the many clips promoting the show on Youtube  it appears  that the funeral profession is going to be portrayed as a group of greedy money grabbers…again.

If you get a chance give it a look.

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If you are not being treated compassionately and with respect (including respect for your wallet)…walk away!

Interesting read from an interesting lady. Her link is listed below. She writes a few blogs that deal with end of life with a different angle. 

Number 8 hits it dead on.  If anything or anyone makes you uncomfortable at any time during the arrangement-making process, go elsewhere. If you feel that you are being unduly pressured, file a complaint with management and walk away. If you are not being listened to, walk away. If you are not being treated compassionately and with respect (including respect for your wallet)…walk away!

Speaker and Award-Winning Author, “Happily Even After…” and “Widows Wear Stilettos…”

Little is more heart-wrenchingly difficult than the task of:

FUNERAL PLANNING

Most people in the bereavement industry are compassionate individuals who truly care about those whom they serve. However, as with any other business, the bereavement industry also has its fair share of “undesirables.” At best, these undesirables can include funeral directors who use emotional manipulation and clichéd “hard selling” to push clients into purchasing items that they do not want or need. At worst, reported incidents of blatant fraud aren’t uncommon.

For both your protection and your peace of mind, here are eight recommended “must dos” of funeral planning:

1. Educate yourself.

Do you know that you can have a separate mortuary handle arrangements apart from the cemetery? Did you know that you are not obligated to purchase items such as grave markers and flowers through the same mortuary or cemetery? The more knowledgeable you are ahead of time, the less likely you are to be financially taken advantage of at the worst possible time. It is vital that you educate yourself thoroughly and, if possible, before the need arises.

2. Preplanning and prepayment is not a prerequisite.

About a year prior to my husband’s death, I was harassed by a “preplanning counselor” (aka salesperson) in an attempt to procure prepayment funds numbering in the mid-four figures. I very firmly advised this person that all of our reserves were being spent on sustaining my husband’s life and that when it came time to financially focus on my husband’s death, I would do so at that time — and not one minute before.

You may be under the impression that you are obligated to pay for funeral arrangements in advance. Preplanning and prepayment are optional services. It is a convenience. It is not mandatory.

3. Avoid preplanning pitfalls.

Making both practical and financial arrangements prior to the time of need can be a responsible and thoughtful thing to do. However, if done incorrectly or naively, preplanning can also result in falling prey to a “hard sell” — purchasing something you do not need or, in the worst case scenario, prepaying into an account or for a policy that does not exist (for any number of reasons) when the time comes to use it.

Before handing over preplanning funds to a mortuary or funeral home, you must do your homework thoroughly. What happens if the funeral home sells out to new owners or goes out of business altogether? What if the person or people with whom you are doing business prove to be dishonest? Client fraud — employees dipping into client trust accounts or fraudulently cashing in policies — can and does happen. Further, if a mortuary says that they will purchase either a life insurance or burial policy on your behalf, be aware that this is something that you can very easily do yourself. You may wish to consider paying your designated preplanning money into a specific personal bank account, family trust or purchasing a burial policy through a reputable insurance company.

4. Love is not measured by the amount of money you spend.

A family sits grief-stricken in a funeral director’s office reviewing the mortuary’s “menu” of goods and services. Grief and confusion reigns as the family struggles to make decisions to everyone’s satisfaction. The funeral director feigns sympathy and says things like, “I know you loved him/her very much. Don’t you think they deserve the best? Don’t you want to show how much you love him/her?” The director then guides the family to a $7,000 coffin and other over-the-top items and services, while enthusiastically encouraging them to incur debt in order to pay for it. Finally, the director insinuates that if the family chooses against spending vast sums of money that they do not have, they clearly did not and do not love their dearly departed.

You must understand that love is not measured by the contents of a checking account or a credit card limit. Do not let anyone (be they friend or foe, funeral director or family member) “guilt” you into purchasing that which you do not need or cannot afford.

5. Assert yourself.

At this most crucial time, you must state exactly what it is that you want; be it for yourself or on behalf of the person for whom you are making arrangements. It can be challenging to summon the strength to speak up while in the throes of immediate or anticipatory grief…but speak up you must.

I once observed a funeral director tell a family wishing to purchase a plain, wooden casket (as is commonly done in many religions) that their beloved would not be properly protected from the elements in such a casket — even though by law, all caskets are properly vaulted, insulated and protected. As the funeral director had successfully and deceitfully presented a picture befitting a bad horror movie, the widow could not thereafter be convinced by her family that she should proceed as originally planned. She instead gave in to the disgusting sales tactics and purchased a far-more-expensive casket. The result? The widow found herself with a final bill from the mortuary that catapulted her into serious debt… all because of a refusal to speak up and unconscionable behavior by a funeral director.

6. Review “package deals” carefully.

Most mortuaries offer “packages” that may appear to save money. However, there are often items included in packages that you may not need. For example, will you really need funeral procession officers? Is it absolutely necessary to rent a coffin for a cremation? Go over package offers carefully.

7. Know exactly what is included.

Many people do not know what is and is not included in their total price. For example, does the total price include post-funeral tasks such as obtaining death certificates? Did you know that in most cases, a grave marker or a headstone is a separate purchase from the funeral? Request an itemized accounting of exactlywhat is going to be provided prior to, at the time of and after the funeral.

8. If something or someone makes you uncomfortable…walk away!

Remember that the funeral business is just that…a business. If anything or anyone makes you uncomfortable at any time during the arrangement-making process, go elsewhere. If you feel that you are being unduly pressured, file a complaint with management and walk away. If you are not being listened to, walk away. If you are not being treated compassionately and with respect (including respect for your wallet)…walk away!

Make sure that if presented with the responsibilities of funeral planning, you are equipped with knowledge and enough guidance to help you make arrangements as effortlessly as possible and concentrate on the most important matters: Drawing near to loved ones and finding your comfort and peace.

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND RESOURCES:
National Funeral Directors Association
Funeral Consumers Alliance

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Advice from Tim Burton

One of my favorite movies by Tim Burton is “Beatle Juice”. Tim Burton is a talented Hollywood outsider. If you’re not familiar with his work some of his movies include “Edward Scissorhands” “The Nightmare Before Christmas” “Corpse Bride” and “Big Fish.” Burton’s new animated feature, “Frankenweenie” will be released by Walt Disney on October 5. Here is the trailer. This will be an instant hit.

Found a blog by THE FAMILY PLOT BLOG: FUNERAL PLANNING FOR THOSE WHO DON’T PLAN TO DIE. I follow this blog and always like their point of view. “Tim Burton Says Plan Your Funeral.” Read the blog here.

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60 minutes again……

A few weeks ago there was a 60 minutes piece on cemeteries that didn’t play by the rules.  The story turned ugly and SCI, owner of the cemetery, once again took a well-deserved beating. Well this looks like another interview about pre paying for funeral goods and services and or your plot.

Josh Slocum from Funeral Consumer Alliance was asked about pre paying for just those things. “I cannot and will not tell a consumer to pre pay for anything.” He adds, ”AARP and Consumer Reports agree. This is standard advice from people who have no interest in selling you anything.”

My advice has always been the same. Make sure someone know what you want for arrangements. Going to pre plan services is fine. DO NOT PRE PAY! If you do have to pre pay (tax reasons, spend downs, etc) do so with your local bank.  Shop your local funeral providers and take your time making your decisions. The bank will help you set up an account which you will control.

The video is below.  Enjoy.


http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7409170n

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Life-long Learning

Internet learning has been going on as long as …well, the internet.  You can take courses over the internet for EVERYTHING. If you have taken the time to go through one of these courses, you know how valuable they can be. What a great way to get information to anyone, anywhere.

The Frequently Asked Questions page on the website of the Funeral Consumer Alliance would make a great course; I would call it “Funeral 101.” Would you take the course? Its 28 articles would be the required reading to pass the course.  Each is excellent and contains everything you - the “student” – would need to know about end-of-life concerns. As the teacher, I would “handout” assignments to be sure you learned helpful information and common sense. You can find your full “reading list” on the FCA’s website.

Of course, I’m sure one time after class, you’ll ask… What do I really need to know to pass the final test? Ok, I’ll tell you. These three are the “must read:”

Four-Step Funeral Planning: Where to Start When You Don’t Know How to Start

Paying Final Respects: Your Rights When Buying a Funeral

The Pitfalls of Preneed (why you should almost never prepay for a funeral)

It is nice to know that groups like the Funeral Consumer Alliance are educating the public on all-things funerary. So many people don’t talk about it at all; preparing for a funeral isn’t your average continuing education program.  But it should be part of your life-long learning. Just like any other thing you haven’t done before, it’s nice to know that when you need help, there is good advice on the internet available for you.

And when it comes time to needing to talk to a funeral director, please call me, Mark J. Kenney. I am ready to help. I promise you won’t have to clap erasures.

“Education’s purpose is to replace an empty mind with an open one.”  ~Malcolm S. Forbes.

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Burial Vs Cremation - Differences

Reblogged from cremationideas:

Burial or Cremation? How To Decide

Life is full of choices that require decisions. One of the most important, and perhaps, difficult decisions to make is about final disposition of a body. This article discusses some of the Pros and Cons for burial and cremation. Once decided, it is advisable to make your decision known to your loved ones in writing.

Read more… 575 more words

I found this today and thought I would pass it along.  The facts about cremation and burial clearly explained. The article makes some great points. First and for most, Put your wishes down in writing and discuss it with your family.

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Spend Downs

In the last few weeks, I have worked with a number of people setting up prearrangements for their aging parents who need to make permanent residence in a nursing home.

My mom had to be admitted to a nursing home a few years back; we had to do what is called a “spend down.” This means assets have to be spent on certain necessities, including funeral arrangements, in order to qualify for Medicare. Certain guidelines have to be met. After the “spend down” Medicare will take over funding of her long term care.

Spend downs have to follow State guidelines. I imagine every state has its own rules. My experience comes from Massachusetts and Vermont. You must have a complete itemized list of goods and services. In planning final arrangements, the government needs to know the funeral or cremation service you consulted and how much the arrangements will cost, in today’s prices. You need to have a receipt. Make sure you have your paperwork in order. You will have to present this to the nursing home administrator.

The link to Medicaid spend downs for Vermont residents is:
http://humanservices.vermont.gov/on-line-rules/esd/medicaid-spenddown-4400/view
(These are the guidelines only for the State of Vermont.)

This can seem overwhelming. The rules are straight forward but every situation is different. It was a long process for my mother. When it became complicated, fortunately, her lawyer took care of the details. It is best to have a family lawyer check things over before you start the process.

I have had both personal and professional experience with spend downs. If you have any questions, or need assistance in making final arrangements as part of a spend down for your parent that needs long term nursing home care, please call me.

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Decisions, decisions…..

A fellow funeral director once told me that there are some 500 things that a funeral director will do, or might be asked to do, for a family they are serving.  I wanted to share this list on my blog; I have looked everywhere for it but, no luck.  I searched the internet and still no luck.

If I remember correctly, it was a mind boggling list.  Everything was considered – from opening the doors to helping the cemetery staff at the burial.  All of the details were included.

Some of the bigger considerations were included as well. When a decedent has been part of the military, a fraternity, sorority or social group like the Masons, a mortician may coordinate special tribute services with cooperation and participation from such groups. While it is not a part of the explicit job description, a mortician acts as an impromptu grief counselor when families are overwhelmed with sorrow as they attempt to make final arrangements.

Another interesting figure my colleague mentioned was about the number of decisions to be considered to make final arrangements. A family who unexpectedly needs to make arrangements will have to make some 100 decisions while sitting with the funeral director during that first meeting.  Most arrangement meetings last between 1-2 hours.  That is a lot of decisions to make in an unexpected meeting, in a meeting that you really don’t want to be at.

Most of the questions are familiar and common place to the funeral director but some might strike the unexpected, well, unexpectedly. “Will mom be wearing her wedding band?” “Will the ring stay with her or be given back to the family before burial/cremation?” “Is Dad’s Legion hat going with him or back to his grandson?’ These in addition to the basic questions about name, address, social security number, etc.  Obituaries are the hardest; together we need to sum up seventy plus years (or any age) in 600 words or less …and written in a few hours.

When I heard all of these facts and figures, I was flabbergasted but it was his last statement that stuck with me the longest. “If someone had made arrangements before they were needed there would be only two questions to ask: what day and what time?”

End of life arrangements may not be something you and your family discuss over the holidays. It is not an easy conversation to strike up… but there are many, possibly hundreds, of good reasons to do so.

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Prearrangements and prepaying – what’s the difference?


After opening the doors of WRCS, one of the most common questions I have heard is about prearranging and prepaying your funeral.  If you look at the internet for answers, you probably still don’t have a clue if you should or should not.  Depending on who you talk to, the advice is endless.  In today’s Blog, I will throw my experience, and advice, into the ring.

Prearranging and pre-paying funerals are two different things. There, I said it.

I have always been a fan of prearranging your funeral. You will be able to make choices that are meaningful to both you and your family; you will gain peace of mind knowing your family and friends will be relieved of the emotional and financial burden often associated with making arrangements when a death occurs. Many times families have not yet talked about funeral choices. It is nice for the funeral home to tell the family that dad came in five years ago and made his plans.

Much to the chagrin of my former employer, I am not a fan of prepaying your funeral.

Let me explain.  Prearranging a funeral is the act of sitting down with your local area provider and putting on paper your final wishes. Prepaying a funeral is an additional step in making final arrangements. They are asking you to pay, upfront, for your funeral, either by making a lump payment or making partial payments prior to death. You will be told that this will “freeze” the cost of the merchandise, making things easier on your family at the time of death.

Think about it. Why would a funeral home want you to “freeze” the cost of merchandise and services years in advance? What is the benefit for them? Well, for starters, those owned by corporations use it as a way to report revenue and volume, which sounds terrific to shareholders on the quarterly conference calls. Also, there is a thing called interest.

After being in the business for 20 years, I have seen people who have benefited and people who have been burned with the prepaying option.  The idea of “selling” preneed was pioneered by the large corporations.  The more money they take in, the better it looks to the board of directors.  The corporation cannot access these funds until the death has occurred. They do consider it “money in the bank” which they will get when the holders pass. The federal government has specific rules on where money can be kept and how it will be handled. These funds cannot be touched until the death is certified by death certificate.

The funds are placed into an account, which draws interest. However, every penny of interest goes to the funeral home at the time of death. You would be told that the interest is minute, allowing them to cover only a fraction of what the funeral would really cost in the future. Think about that. Again, why would they try to sell preneeds and lose money? Is the interest really minute? The corporations will demonstrate on your at-need contract, just how much your loved one saved you by prearranging the funeral.

It seems to me that there is some creative accounting going on. The corporate titans have learned how to manipulate the numbers. In cases where the prearrangement actually is worth more than a current funeral (and it is possible in many circumstances), the numbers are manipulated to show otherwise.

Some corporate homes tell you that your arrangements are transferable. I can assure you, from my experience in the business, nothing is farther from the truth. When they say transferable, they mean within their own company.  Every corporate location has different pricing structures, causing more confusion. I have personally witnessed folks being turned down when asked about such transfers.

Also, I have heard sales people state that “everything is included and covered.” This too, is far from reality.  Often, additional costs can be added, even when prepaying for your arrangement.

I can sincerely say that being aware of this, I have done things differently. I have never made prearrangements with a family that were not 100% transferable. I have always given whatever is left in the burial account back to the family.  This was not the policy of my employer but I felt to be a true benefit to prepaying for your arrangements. Trust me, there were times when the family was on the winning side of prepaying, but this was not the norm.

This is my advice:

  1. Do not make arrangements with a corporate funeral organization. If you are not sure about your local funeral provider, ask them.
  2. Do not make arrangements that are irrevocable.
  3. Do not sign anything until a lawyer has looked at the documents.
  4. Ask for a specific list of what is included.  Also ask for a list of what is NOT included.
  5. Make sure someone in your family knows about the arrangements and has them on hand when needed.
  6. Work with a local bank to set up a burial account.  It is your money and some funeral homes are not looking out for your best interest.

I don’t want to discourage anyone from starting to talk about their wishes when a death occurs. I always tell families I speak with that a local bank can help you with a burial account.  After you have your prearrangements, talk with your local banker. That additional piece of mind – that your funds are secure and local – has always made sense to me.

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13 Things A Typical Funeral Director Won’t Tell You

The top 13 things a typical funeral director won’t tell you … but you should know

Having been a manager for 2 corporate funeral homes over the last 20 years, I have experience first hand the constant “up-selling” training that employees are subject to.

During that training there are a number of facts that are purposely left out.

1. Go ahead and plan your funeral, but think twice before paying in advance. You risk losing everything if the funeral home goes out of business. Instead, keep your money in a pay-on-death account at your bank.

2. If you or your spouse is an honorably discharged veteran, burial is free at a Veterans Affairs National Cemetery. This includes the grave, vault, opening and closing, marker, and setting fee. Many State Veterans Cemeteries offer free burial for veterans and, often, spouses (www.cem.va.gov).

3. You can buy caskets that are just as nice as the ones in my showroom for thousands of dollars less online from Walmart, Costco, or straight from a manufacturer.

4. On a budget or concerned about the environment? Consider a rental casket. The body stays inside the casket in a thick cardboard container, which is then removed for burial or cremation.

5. Running a funeral home without a refrigerated holding room is like running a restaurant without a walk-in cooler. But many funeral homes don’t offer one because they want you to pay for the more costly option: embalming. Most bodies can be presented very nicely without it if you have the viewing within a few days of death.

6. Some hard-sell phrases to be wary of: “Given your position in the community …,” “I’m sure you want what’s best for your mother,” and “Your mother had excellent taste. When she made arrangements for Aunt Nellie, this is what she chose.”

7. “Protective” caskets with a rubber gasket? They don’t stop decomposition. In fact, the moisture and gases they trap inside have caused caskets to explode.

8. If there’s no low-cost casket in the display room, ask to see one anyway. Some funeral homes hide them in the basement or the boiler room.

9. Ask the crematory to return the ashes in a plain metal or plastic container — not one stamped temporary container. That’s just a sleazy tactic to get you to purchase a more expensive urn.

10. Shop around. Prices at funeral homes vary wildly, with direct cremation costing $500 at one funeral home and $3,000 down the street. (Federal law requires that prices be provided over the phone.)

11. We remove pacemakers because the batteries damage our crematories.

12. If I try to sell you a package that I say will save you money, ask for the individual price list anyway. Our packages often include services you don’t want or need.

13. Yes, technically I am an undertaker or a mortician. But doesn’t funeral director have a nicer ring to it?

I have to add one more.  I was always taught that even if someone qualifies for a state assisted burial/cremation, we were told to disregard that option and try to get the family to pay on there own. Only as a last resort we would contact the State.  I find it to be a much better practice to check with the family to see if they were receiving benefits.  A simple 10 minute phone call to human services will see if the deceased is entitled to that benefit.  The family may also check on there eligibility by calling there local human services office.  These numbers are listed in the phone book under the State of Vermont.

Over the next few weeks I will revisit some of these topics.  If you have a question, please feel free to contact me at 802 374 0172.

Williams River Services is a veterans family owned business.

This information was taken from Michelle Crouch from Reader’s Digest Magazine, June/July 2011

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